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Vie-Long natural horse hair comparison
#1

Vie-Long offers different types of horse hair in their brushes, and my curiosity once again got the best of me, especially after I recently purchased two American style brushes; one with white and one with brown horse hair.
I have two other brushes with the same type of hair, just the knots are larger, so I thought it could be fun to compare the knot sizes and these two hair types.

The two types of knots:
The brown knot consists of 35% mane and 65% tail hair.
The white knot consists of 50% mane and 50% tail hair.

The brushes in this test:
[TABLE]Vie-Long Professional #2, knot type 35/65, knot size 20.3 mm, loft 61.0 mm
Vie-Long 13071B, knot type 50/50, knot size 24.0 mm, loft 54.2 mm
Vie-Long American style, knot type 35/65 knot size 19.4 mm, loft 49.1 mm
Vie-Long American style, knot type 50/50 knot size 20.9 mm, loft 49.5 mm
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The first comparison will be of the two brown hair brushes:

I didn't expect much of a difference between the two brushes, as I thought the larger knot of the Professional would compensate for the equivalent higher loft, but I was wrong.
Immediately when loading the brushes I could feel a difference. The Professional felt almost floppy compared to the American style, which showed a really great backbone and loaded the soap quite fast.
Lathering up took less time with the American style, again because of more backbone.

Applying the lather in circular motions the backbone again gave a noticeable difference of the feel of the brush. The Professional splayed more and thus covering more area in a stroke, whereas the American style felt more firm and massaging.
Applying lather in painting strokes was more similar, although again the American style felt more firm in the knot and of course didn't splay as much as the larger Professional. Nice feel from both.

The feel of the tips was equal; a light massaging effect with just a slight prickliness, which I didn't find uncomfortable in any way.
If I should compare the tip-feel to a badger brush, it would be in the region of a Best badger or Finest badger.

My personal favourite of these two is the American style, to my surprise actually. Even though the knot is smaller I find the more firm backbone to be more to my liking. It loaded the soap and whipped up the lather fast and with no difficulty at all. Creams won't be challenge and I have no doubt that it will face lather quite nicely as well because of the backbone.
The Professional can do all three as well, but it will take longer especially in face lathering as it splay somewhat more and has a softer backbone.
However, one has to remember that the Professional is developed exactly for; professional barbers, who use the brush in a slightly different manner than you do at home.

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Next comparison is the two white hair brushes:
With the experience of my first test clearly in my mind, I would say that it was naturally to expect a similar behaviour from these two brushes.
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Despite the differences in knot size and loft height, those two brushes felt and behaved similar. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't detect any noticeable difference between them.

Their backbone is very firm, and they loaded fast and with ease. Whipping up lather was an equally easy and fast procedure.
The firm backbone means that there is very little splay when applying lather in both circular and painting motions.

The tip-feel from both is definitely pricklier; in fact it is close to where I think it is too much (I like soft tips).
Anyone who likes a good massaging effect where you really can feel the tips will likely like this brush. The white hairs will most certainly do very well for face lathering.
The tip-feel would be similar to a Pure badger or prickly Best badger.

Since the two brushes are so equal in behaviour the difference that makes the "winner" is the handle, and here it is the 13071B that takes the honour.
The larger handle makes it a little more comfortable for me to hold, and I like the slightly higher loft as well.

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And last the comparison of the two American style knots:
Almost identical measures and very similar behaviour and yet a noticeable difference as well.
This is almost just a repeat - backbone in both brushes is great, they feel very firm. They both load fast and whips up lather with ease.
They don't splay much no matter the technique; circular or painting motions.

The tip feel is where the difference is. The brown hair knot feels more comfortable and less prickly than the white haired version, and this actually took me by surprise, as I would have thought the knot with most mane hair would be the softest, but that is not the case.
I find the prickliness from horse hair is more direct and harder (lack of better word) than the prickliness from a boar or badger. The two latter has a softer feel even with a prickly brush, and they can soften up on use, especially valid for boar brushes, whereas my experience with horse hair is that they maintain the prickliness they are "born" with.

Of the two I prefer the brown hair knot (35/65 mane/tail) due to the softer feel.
I think the knot size/loft height ratio is spot on for these knots. They will be great all-rounder’s able of doing whatever you want from them - apart from being heavenly soft tipped This image is blocked to guests. Please Login or Register to unblock itLinks in this message are blocked to guests. Please Login or Register to unblock themalt="Smile" title="Smile" class="smilie smilie_1" />

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Should I have a small critique point it would be the handle width. I wouldn't mind a couple of mm's more in diameter to ease the hold of the brush.
It is 29 mm at its widest at the base and 17 mm at the narrowest point.
But it is really nitpicking, because it is not a strain to hold the handle.

I have chosen a version with dark wooden handle, but the American style also comes in a version with light wood and it is possible to choose a version with a 2-band badger knot as well.
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#2

Excellent review, Soren! :thumbsup:
La risa, el amor y el afeitado!
~Celestino~
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#3

Es lo que pasa en Vie-Long que pone unos nudos muy finos y nos gustan con mas diámetro.
Enhorabuena por la revisión no tengo ni idea de ingles y con el Google translator se entiende por lo menos!
simplemente irresistible
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#4

Thank you Soren, great work :thumbsup:.
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#5

Thank you very much for the comparison of brushes. It's an excellent work. :bow::thumbsup:
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#6

Excelente revisión. Gracias.
"Nosotros no somos utopistas".
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#7

Thank you very much gentlemen
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#8

Muchas gracias por la comparación, compañero.

Me gusta mucho la Vie-Long barbera en pelo marrón 35/65.
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A mí­ me gustaba más en pelo blanco, pero después de esta magní­fica revisión, está claro que el caballo ganador es el marrón :cejas:
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#10

gracias por la revisión. Para mi es bastante más suave el pelo blanco, especialmente cuando tiene un 50% de pelo de crin, que es más suave que la cola.
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#11

[MENTION=4002]Toninor[/MENTION] no sé tú pero yo estoy a un click.
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#12

Thank you shm, outstanding review!!!!
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#13

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+10, y más con la última oferta de gastos de enví­o.
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#14

Like señor Toninor another gentlemen at Badger&Blade have said he feel the white hair is softer.
This was also my thoughts before the test, but with those brushes the outcome was the opposite.
Another gentlemen said the white hair knot will soften up with use, so I am looking forward to see if this will happen.

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#15

Muchas gracias por la revisión, shm!
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#16

shm Really a great review! Almost tempted to try one of those horse brushes... But my -limitted- experience with this kind of hair is not good when talking about face lathering. Do they feel better, equal or worse on your skin compared with a "pigglet"?

¡Una gran revisión! Casi estoy tentado de probar una de estas brochas de caballo... pero mi -limitada- experiencia con este tipo de pelo no es buena si hablamos de espumar en cara. ¿Cómo se notan en la cara comparada con una "cerdita", mejor, igual, peor..?
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#17

The backbone is better than a boar brush with similar loft.
The boar will feel softer.

If you don't like prickliness at all, then I don't think you will like a horse hair brush.
But it is not uncomfortable, it has a sense of a massaging feeling on the skin, so if you don't mind a little prickliness in a brush, I would really recommend trying one of the American style brushes.
To me, the knot size and the loft height are spot on, Vie-Long has really nailed it with the two horse knots.

I am very tempted to try the 2-band as well, but will have to admit that I have one 2-band (the first they offered) and it is just a bit too prickly for my comfort, so I am hesitant to get another if it is similar in prickliness.
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#18

Hola:

Acabo de pedir la brocha de pelo de caballo blanco con mango estilo americano y he estado buscando un soporte para ella pero me ha dado la impresión de que sólo los hay para mangos anchos ¿Me harí­a falta un soporte especí­fico para este tipo de mango? ¿Existen soportes universales para mangos anchos y americanos?

Gracias :thumbsup:
¿Si supero la timidez dejo de cortarme?
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